If someone was stripped of magic or uninitiated, having their spark removed, could they become a mage again?
I am assuming they'd have to grow their spark from new again (since the points they earned from the magic after its removal were refunded) so would begin as a novice but with the same amount of knowledge.
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Re: Unusual Magic Initiation Query
So. When a Spark is normally removed from a person or their access to a Spark is revoked, it's usually done for a reason. The only beings capable of removing a Spark being Immortals, Champions, and artefacts of exceptional power.
Mages can stop using their power, but it is not normally possible for a mage to ever just stop being a mage.
Therefore, since this is a special consideration that would normally require extraneous circumstances to even be possible, to allow it to happen over again like it never happened in the first place... rubs me the wrong way.
That in mind - from a lore perspective, it's a grey area. The absolutes known are that the soul is changed by the introduction of the Spark, the Spark 'takes root' in the soul and means that it cannot be easily removed, even by death of the body. To have the Spark removed is an event that requires considerable power to excise the Spark from the soul and I don't believe it really has the power to 'repair' the soul back to its pre-Spark existence, since there's nothing actually 'damaged', simply 'changed'. At the very least, there's an argument to be made that no individual can have two Sparks of the same Domain within their body. You can't have two, three, four Hone Sparks, they simply don't adhere to the body.
Therefore, having a Spark of a Domain and then having that Spark removed has already changed the body to match that Spark - a new Spark of the same Domain trying to fit in place of the previous one simply can't fit anymore. The soul has matched the previous Spark and unlike when a new Spark is added and a new 'gap' is made to match it, the new Spark cannot fit into the gap left behind by another. A person cannot be initiated twice into the same magic, and any magic that they have excised from their body cannot be recovered later. From existing lore, that is the deduction that could be reasonably deduced at a minimum.
However, personally, I'm of the mind that when a Spark or Sparks are excised from a soul, it salts the earth. Sparks are not mindless creatures, which is why there are partial initiations and why Sparks have personalities and goals of their own... and a Spark can undoubtedly feel when a soul has had a Spark before, and that Spark was removed. Any further attempt at initiation would result in failure as the Spark refused to bind with the 'tainted' soul in question.
This is up for debate however.
Mages can stop using their power, but it is not normally possible for a mage to ever just stop being a mage.
Therefore, since this is a special consideration that would normally require extraneous circumstances to even be possible, to allow it to happen over again like it never happened in the first place... rubs me the wrong way.
That in mind - from a lore perspective, it's a grey area. The absolutes known are that the soul is changed by the introduction of the Spark, the Spark 'takes root' in the soul and means that it cannot be easily removed, even by death of the body. To have the Spark removed is an event that requires considerable power to excise the Spark from the soul and I don't believe it really has the power to 'repair' the soul back to its pre-Spark existence, since there's nothing actually 'damaged', simply 'changed'. At the very least, there's an argument to be made that no individual can have two Sparks of the same Domain within their body. You can't have two, three, four Hone Sparks, they simply don't adhere to the body.
Therefore, having a Spark of a Domain and then having that Spark removed has already changed the body to match that Spark - a new Spark of the same Domain trying to fit in place of the previous one simply can't fit anymore. The soul has matched the previous Spark and unlike when a new Spark is added and a new 'gap' is made to match it, the new Spark cannot fit into the gap left behind by another. A person cannot be initiated twice into the same magic, and any magic that they have excised from their body cannot be recovered later. From existing lore, that is the deduction that could be reasonably deduced at a minimum.
However, personally, I'm of the mind that when a Spark or Sparks are excised from a soul, it salts the earth. Sparks are not mindless creatures, which is why there are partial initiations and why Sparks have personalities and goals of their own... and a Spark can undoubtedly feel when a soul has had a Spark before, and that Spark was removed. Any further attempt at initiation would result in failure as the Spark refused to bind with the 'tainted' soul in question.
This is up for debate however.
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Re: Unusual Magic Initiation Query
Just to add in here - those who lost their Sparks during the Forging lost their mutations. I think it makes it sense that mutations are gone with the spark.
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