Overview

Following the completed Trials by the Eternals during The Call, several mages from Idalos were transformed into a new type of being. These people had their souls, their very essence transformed, forever and permanently altered into spirits.

You've now completed your trial and have become a Diri of Hone, the first spirit of any magic in all existence. Functionally, in terms of soul bits and stuff, Praetorum is now more akin to a Tunawa. We'll have plenty of things to discuss following this, but I'll try to clarify a few of them.

1) Am I specifically the diri of lucis hone, or umbral as well? This covers all of Hone. So both.

2) RPwise, what changes should I make note of in becoming a spirit? Access to the Beneath and Imaginings, inability to be flayed by normal means (if they can flay via Ephemera they can flay you), effective immortality, meaning no aging and immune to naturally occurring diseases and ailments. The use of Hone or Defiance will cost Ephemera, instead of ether. However, if in the presence of other Hone use (not Defiance) Praetorum can consume the ambient energy from them and 'recharge'.

3) Hone has an ethersight rune. Does that stay the same now, or does it become like, ephemerasight?? That rune remains the same. However, Praetorum is able to see other Spirits and Souls, and into the beneath, naturally.

4) The wiki says hone sparks “carries within them an ancient memory of the Runes contained within the discipline” so do I like, know all the runes my spark does now, or do I still have to meditate to learn them? You will still have to meditate or discover them.

5) Do I have a Purpose or Charge the way other diri would? Hone *is* the Purpose. Spreading its use and such.

6) Do I still have a sense of the Hone spark’s theme, even with my mutations gone? oh my god is that my Purpose now? The theme remains, and is adjustable, and can affect your purpose.

7) As above, do I no longer have a theme with defiance since that spark is now just spirit friends? You can still maintain the theme, it just is now expressed in a different fashion cuz spirit friends *made* from your spark.

8) How sentient are my new spirit friends? Compared to like, the way the elements normally are using defiance? Is it reasonable to have them talk, for instance? Equally comparable to how the defiance elements already function. So nah, no talking.

9) Do I have to command them by talking, or can I just request things of them mentally? Mentally is fine.

10) Do I still have a kin element? Yes

11) Can I overstep in defiance if its my spirit friends doing the heavy lifting now? Yes, because as the dominant spirit over them, you fuel them, effectively.

12) Can most people see my spirit buddies? Works the same as other spirits. While in the Beneath, normies can't see them. While in Idalos proper, normies can see them.

13) What happens when I use refinements with defiance? Do they just like use their powers together to make the refined element? Yes.

14) Do I still have the six initiations only limit? You have unlimited initiations now.

15) Can I still gain different marks in the future, or am I only allowed to keep and level up the ones I have right now? You may gain different marks in the future, however, various Immortals opinion of Prae may change cuz... Spirit.

16) Uh. Do either of my deities (assuming i get that dang raskalarn mark quest done before the end of the hekkin season) have strong opinions of what has happened to me. Or for that matter, what happened in general? I'll let you know in the new season with a moderated thread ;)

17) Initially, I had meant for Prae to be a mortalborn, although I’m starting to rethink that tbh. Still, if I go ahead with that, what or how would that interact with this… this? I’m willing to dump that idea if this turns out to be too complicated or… contradictory considering the anti immortal stance of the eternals No longer possible to have started as a Mortalborn, this is too inherent of a change.

18) Am I disoriented in the imaginings, or does it feel more homey? More homey.

19) Is it easier to see spirits while on Idolas now, even without trying? Built in Spirit and Ghost vision

20) Is it easier to understand spirits now? Yes

21) Once I enter my training grounds, do I exit out exactly where I left? (Aside from leaving it right now, I mean) Yes

22) How does time pass in my training grounds? Is there like, time dilation? Passes normally.

23) How much control do I have over my training grounds, exactly? Is it really just a “your imagination is your limit?” Yup, imagination is your limit.

24) Can I bring people into my training ground without initiating them into hone? Anyone entering the training ground will effectively have begun their Initiation, regardless. If they have a Hone Spark, they can train there while you're present. So no, all who enter will have initiation started.

25) How long does it take to move into the beneath and imaginings? Instantly for Prae. Ghosts have it tougher.

26) Do I make vergences when I move back and forth? Yes, small ones.

27) Can I use moving into the beneath to bypass obstacles in idolas? Objects in Idalos are also present in the Beneath.

28) How does this change interact with dreamwalking? Changes nothing.

29) Is using magic in a fracture safer now for me, since I’m using magic with ephemera and not ether? Yes, your magic is at normal capacity within Fractures and Emea alike.

30) How does this affect well usage? Wells that can store magic aspects are normally ether wells, right? Yes, but there are spirit wells and other wells that can store Ephemera abilities and wells can be refined with Ephemera as well. So Prae falls in that category.

31) Am I allergic to copper now, the way ghosts and spirits seem to be? That only applies to ghosts. Not spirits.

32) Do I still need to like, eat or sleep now that I’m a spirit? No, but you are able to do so anyways.

33) When you say I’m sort of like a tunawa now, does that mean I’m like, resistant to magic the way they are? No, just part soul, part spirit.

34) Do I produce ephemera for spirits to nom nom like Tunawa do? Yes, and for ghosts to nom nom too.

35) How does time shit work? Is it like fridgar where the spirit self shows up and merges with the one who's been chilling in the normal timeline? Yes. You arrive back to where you were in normal time and merge.

36) Is it okay if I make this change at the beginning of next season to avoid the issues of contradicting the CitW thread? Perfectly okay and a smart idea.

37) Will people using hone around me... feed/empower me? Is that how spirits work? Yes and yes.

38) Is the spirit form designed by me, or Praetorum? That is, does he have control over what he looks like? Both, if you'd like. Typically it should be one fairly consistent form so perhaps IC design of the first time, and then need plot reasons to change down the line.

39) Do other hone mages/sparks have like a sense that something is weird about Prae? Sure. This dude feels weird. Hone and Defiers will notice instantly. Others will need various abilities to notice.

40) Can a becomer still make a totem of Prae if he has no ether in him anymore? No, but not because he has no ether. Chop a piece of him off and it will dissolve into ephemera.

41) Just to clarify, I'm still specifically a lucis runewright, even though my purpose doesn't make any distinction? Prae has access to both styles of Hone, though he'll have to learn all the other side's stuff IC.

42) Is the imagining also layered over idolas, spatially? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to do something like dreamwalking's crossing, moving large distances by taking advantage of the differences between realms. It's layered similarly yes. So, you could travel distinctly within one realm and pop up suddenly in the other. However, time wise this wouldn't really change anything.

43) Not that I'm going to do so, but can I flay ephemera now? Yes.

44) How permanent are physical injuries, if I'm made of Ephemera? If someone chops off a limb now does it heal over into a stump or does it grow back because /shrug spirits It can eventually grow back. Albeit slowly, or if Prae receives a LARGE amount of external ephemera from Hone.

45) How do other, normal spirits interact with Prae? I assume he'll be more attractive to them because of the nom nom, but aside from that do they have strong opinions on my being a spirit of something totally new? Older Induk will need moderated to determine their reaction. Other Diri is sort of a mixed bag. Some may hunt, some may be scared, some may wish to aid. Most Anak will either flee or choose to serve IF they are close enough to Prae's Purpose. So spirits having to do with things Runes can adjust.

46) Can spirits (and Prae) possess people? Typically no and that is not within Prae's abilities/purpose. Some select spirits can because of their own, such as a Diri of Domination for instance

47) Is it possible to mix and match lucis and umbral techniques? So long as the combination logically makes sense, sure.

48) Are things that are tangible in idolas also tangible in the beneath and the imaginings? In the Beneath yes. In the Imaginings, no.

49) Can you see into Idolas from the beneath/imaginings? Yes,

50) What happens to things I'm holding/wearing when I pop back and forth? Objects are present in both the Beneath and Idalos anyways, so its not really a change for them.

51) Aside from my best defiance buddies 5evah, how do elemental anak behave with Prae? Do they generally just peace out like other anak, or do my buddy spirits chase them off, or what? It can go either way. Some might look to answer to Prae, others may avoid him.

52) Are people I initiate into hone still normal runewrights & mages? Yes, because they still have standard souls, unfortunately :D

53) Since revealed mages are all spark, do revealed hone mages have any particular feeling about Prae other than "feels weird" Nope, just weird/off. Like seeing a ginger in a crowd of normies.

54) Would Prae have any particular feeling about revealed hone mages? Or would it just be like "filled with my concept = good" The latter.

55) Can I pull into my training room people who are not able to be initiated into hone? Like a tunawa or another diri? Yes, but this will be elaborated on later as there are Tunawa entering Trials currently.

56) Does flaying Ephemera have the same issues as flaying ether? See Peg’s thing on Flaying in the Emea Q&A

57) As a spirit, does Prae gain anything from Devotion or Intention? No, you’re dumb.

58) Do my spirit buddies move back and forth between the imaginings and idolas whenever they feel like, or do they tend to stick to the realm that I'm in? They can move freely but will likely stick with you.

59) I assume I can't teleport from emea to the imagining, right? Correct, you cannot.

60) With dreamwalking, could I cross directly from the imaginings/beneath into Emea? Considering Dreamwalking only moves you into Dreamscapes, the answer depends on the ability in Dreamwalking you use. There’s no additional function for you compared to other DWs.

61) Since my soul is all hone spark now, can I use hone for real in dreams? If you have the ability to become Lucid in a dream.

62) Can I move from Emea to my training room? Yes.

63) Can spirits only manifest their concept when they're in idolas? Or can a spirit hide in the imaginings and still shape the elements in Idolas? To affect Idalos, you must be in Idalos.

64) If a ghost uses Ephemera Siphoning, should I use resistance, like a mortal, or meditation, like a ghost, to half the duration that I can't regenerate it? It’d be resistance

65) If I wanted to start gathering anak companions to serve me would that be more akin to gaining an NPC or taming a wild animal nir style, mechanically? More in the wild animal style

66) Do my runes take on a lucis aesthetic or an umbral one when I draw them (v shiny vs shadowy, almost hidden)? Or can I choose? You can choose

67) Is it possible to pull a mortal through a vergence I make into the beneath/imagining? Yes

68) Would i use my spirit or physical body in emea and/or my dreams? Does it depend on how I got there? Physical, and no, its always physical. Not your realm.

69) (looool) Can I still flay ether? Yes, see flaying specialization from Fall of Emea

70) Is there an ephemera cost to popping back and forth from the beneath to the imaginings to Idolas? Yes, and it is expensive.

71) You said I give off ambient ephemera for spirits and ghosts to nom nom. Can flayspark mages absorb that now too, or do they have to like, properly flay me to get my good ephemera? They have to flay unless they have other abilities to allow for it.

72) I don't suppose I could also learn these new flaying specialties :eyes: You can.

73) Can I still have kids? Yes, but they will only be mortals and affected by only the mortal form you have. No spirit halfies.

74) If I fall asleep in the imaginings, and someone dreamwalking crosses over to me, do they also pop out in the imaginings? Sure.

75) Does Prae bleed or have other bodily fluids? Yes, mortal form is mortal in all intents and purposes. However, blood and body parts will dissipate into Ephemera once disconnected from the body.

76) What forum should I put threads in my training room in? Just put them in the same forum you’re in when you depart. No need to be complicated.

77) Can someone who fails an initiation trial try again? Yes

78) Can I see diri that are normally hidden from mortals, like familiars or like, the diri that follow rharne wardens? Normally yes, though some (such as stronger than you or of specific purposes/concepts that are better at hiding) can avoid your detection.

79) With dreamwalking, can he brand a place in the imaginings or something? Sure

80) Can Prae still get possessed by ghosts? Or have a symbiotic relationship with them? Yes, he has a mortal body.

81) Does Prae's spirit form retain, aesthetically all his immortal marks and/or mutations he might gain in the future? Aesthetically, that’s up to you. Realistically, yes, they’d be there in use.

82) Does Prae produce life force anymore, or is it all Ephemera now? He produces life force and ephemera in equal amounts, though more based on which form he’s in.

83) How does Abrogation interact with Prae's new etherless magic? Be more specific.

84) How about attunement or transmutation Be more specific.

85) If I use Ephemera for magic, does that mean I recharge by spending large amounts of time in the imaginings? Or do I have to be around other hone mages to recharge Ephemera? Can I nom nom the ambient ephemera from a tunawa without flaying them? You can also get it from other spirit wells and since you’re mortal enough, from specialized flaying which will convert whatever you flat into ephemera // Yes to imaginings, yes to tunawa

86) What's the mod status on spirit wells? Do I have to run them through a mod or the PSF every time I want to snag a spirit well from the imaginings, or can it be like "use your common sense" I believe all spirit wells are mod reward only at the moment due to their rarity.

87) In general, do I still have like the flaying thirst? Will I if I flay ephemera? See the Fall of Emea information on Flaying.

88) Since I now have infinite initiations and a desire to spread it, what's the general protocol for giving hone to NPCs, personal or otherwise? We will have to work that out as staff first. I’ll get back to you

89) I assume if I use a rune of regen on myself I can regrow limbs and shit, but what about if a normal lucis runewright uses one on me? Does it hek us up to get their ether jelly in my ephemera jam? Be more specific please.

90) How important is my head, really, anymore? More generally, how can we die, permanently (while on idolas, or in the beneath/imagining?) (can we be decapitated and live???) Mortal destruction of your either form will revert you into a Spirit Well that is effectively unplayable until it has received enough Ephemera from an external source for you to return. If that well is destroyed, you’re gone forever.

91) Can I be an anchor for a ghost? Yes

92) Do diri have bodily functions? In your mortal form, yes

93) Does drugs / wine / liquor affect them ? (do they have metabolisms???) In your mortal form, yes.

94) Can we cut power off from a mage under our domain, like stop them from using it? can Zarik stop, say, fridgar from transforming? Or take away their spark? I’d say if Zarik were of equal competency tier to Fridgar that he could stop it. Same with taking away their spark. Zarik can probably return Becomers to old forms even if they lost their totems tbh

95) Can we sense if our magic is being used? For instance, if someone set down an umbral trap, could Prae feel the concept radiating off of it and detect its presence/radius? Within reasonable distance, yes

96) Can our own concept be used against us? Yes, if of equal or greater level. Think power overload.

97) Since Zarik is the Diri of Transformation, does he also have to have a static spirit form or can he change as long as it is described in narrative when he does so - or alternatively, can he have a certain set of forms similar to totems for Becomers? He can change forms freely based on narrative and reasonable use.

98) Can Prae have his defiance buddies be dragon shaped spirits for the aesthetic? Would it make sense for them to be dragon shaped? They determine their own shapes based on their own concept/purpose.

99) Would we choose favored mages / champions to… bless with Purpose? What?

100) When in physical form in Idalos, does Zarik still require the use of totems in the same exact way as other Becomers - or can he assimilate them and/or not require physical representations of those totems? I’d say he would have to start with totems, but then when he can access guardians can have them all become permanently present “spirit” totems instead. I’ll spell this out in more detail later.

101) Can Prae place hone runes on his defiance companions? Sure, can’t promise they’ll like it though.

102) Are we able to dev Diri-specific abilities and put them up for approval (maybe similar to ability specializations)? Sure.

103) Given the nature of Transmutation has much to do with the study of Raw Ether, as a Diri involving Transmutation, would this drive shift to study the nature of Raw Ephemera or would it still include ether, but in regard to other mages rather than personally? Probably be both, rather than one or the other.

104) Is it safe to assume that Zarik can still control ether on Idalos as a regular Transmuter would be capable of (e.g. absorption, ether cyclone, etc.)? Yes

105) Does Ephemera have different visual/auditory/olfactory sense traits than ether - if so, how so? Honestly, that’s just different for every individual

106) How does overstepping with Ephemera work, is it the exact same as overstepping with Ether? Pretty much. Too much juice for the battery.

107) Since Zarik is ageless, does his totems also become ageless or do they continue to age? Ageless. Not that it *really* matters.

108) Is there a way to become an induk? or am i strictly just a diri? Yes, you can become an Induk, it will effectively require 1) gaining a massive territory 2) achieving balance and control of the spirits in that area and 3) acquiring a massive amount of ephemera

109) Can this physical form be the fc he has or a new one? Physical form is your current mortal form minus mutations

110) OK so what happens if our physical form gets killed, are we just spirit, or can we find a new physical form? Typically reduced to a Spirit well until such time that you get more ephemera, then physical form grows back

111) Is the spirit well located somewhere specific/elsewhere? or just where the form gets killed? Where the form gets killed, but might be in the beneath or Idalos proper in that spot

112) Would ephemera gather naturally over time, would it have to be sought out somehow, or would it have to be brought to the well by ...anaks or something/someone external? Ephemera only gathers from your purpose for y’all, so it’d be external

113) Does that go for passive use of the magic domains (the spark simply existing with a soul) as well as active use? Yes, though passive gives very little

114) So i see anak can become our little servants and what not, idk what kind of anak would be for necromancy Anak of rot, Anak of death

115) How powerful of a drive would Purpose be for a Diri? Would it override all other possible drives/desires unless otherwise disciplined? In the sense that... if the purpose is not being fulfilled/followed actively on a day-to-day basis, what sort of consequences start to occur psychologically/physically/etc.? Yes. It’s your number 1 need. Failing to work toward it will lead to things like depression, apathy, listlessness. Aka sad, unfulfilled spirit that is also growing weaker

116) Unprompted Spoiler alert: dragons will be friendly to y’all upon arrival

117) Can i get a dragon totem? Unknown at this time. Basilisk is still building dragons though he’s almost done

118) Can Zarik put someone through one trial to do two initiations at once? Sure

119) Could Prae, as part of the trial, put a rune of naming on a prospective initiate and read their soul before completing their initiation? So that as part of the trial he can kick out anyone he feels is unworthy or ill intentioned Sure

120) Can the spirit well regen happen to other spirits? That is, if we come across a spirit well can we feed it ephemera to bring it back to 'life'? You can feed it ephemera to achieve that.

121) can Cerv just take control of the thralls of lesser necros? yes

122) Can Prae reabsorb the runes of lesser hone mages and nom nom that spare energy? sure, you can nom other runes

123) Can we hold multiple people in the training grounds for extended periods of time? Yes, if willing, but they'll always be able to exit if so desired

124) do we have to be present in the training ground or can we leave, and others willingly remain When you leave, they get booted out

125) would the dead auto rise in my presence? Now? no. As an induk, in your territory? yes

126) Will two anak that serve the same diri cooperate, even if they would naturally be enemies? If I have an anak of strength and another of weakness hanging around me, can I get them to not fight? Yes, though they may still squabble but all lesser spirits answer to the greater ones they serve, absolutely. Sometimes just need reminders if you want them to not do what they normally do. Like when the spirits helped in the Call, and self sacrificed, that isnt a normal thing for them to do, but they were told to, so they did

127) Do spirits have an instinctive idea of where the spirits they serve are at, to go and find them if some mage tries to chonch down on them? Yes

128) if a spiritborn gains the loyalty of a spirit in one city, will it follow him to other cities? Not necessarily, but it might. Just depends situationally

129) can cities count as territories for us specifically. yes

130) Can my defiance frendos also gain power and become.... probably not induk lmao but greater anak or diri? Or is that just linked to my own defiance ability? Yes

131) Can they gain their own littler anak minions as they grow in power? Yes

132) when you say custom revelations, did you have something specific in mind for us, or did you intend for us to collaboratively make something up? Just wanna know if we should start brainstorming ideas now. I had nothing specific either way. You have the ability to build your own thing however you'd like for it to be, be it collaboratively or not. Unique one of a kind revelations no one else can get D

133) do we also instinctively become "not territorial" the way natural spirits are? or do we still have like human greed and shit? Yall have mortal parts, so its gonna have conflict of that spirit desire vs mortal desire

134) Some of us have rings of reversal; will those still work? Sure. it will prevent you from getting Welled

135) At high levels, could we alter the theme of a lesser mages spark? I'm thinking in particular, could Prae alter an umbral hone spark to be less cruel? I'd imagine in a coercion/working with sort of way and not a forced way

136) Oh also, can we fix the monsters that come of failed initiations? yes on the initiation monsters

137) if we turn induk, do we become rooted to our territory? yes-ish. Probably possible to move to another very similar territory but would require a big plot reason

138) We could still pop out of our territories for short periods of time tho, right? Leave the diri managing things and go take a week long vacay. Sure

139) I know some of these lucis and umbral techniques have stated limitations on "can only be used with core/lucis/umbral runes", but at higher levels (or possibly revelation level) would it be possible to :eyes: waive those requirements? ANSWER

140) spirits sometimes bond to mortals (as familiars, etc), can Diri's make a bond with a mortal that is beyond simple initiation of their respective sparks - like in a way to keep connected with a select few - or to encourage a greater desire in that mortal to spread the concept? Not like Marks or that stuff, but hard not to use that terminology to try and describe it. But like... more like a Guardian Angel/Free-Will Familiar type of relation with chosen mortals… Could probably be done in a casual way (like any "keep in touch" non-magic bond) - but I was wondering if there is any potential for diri-specific bonding that might overlap with the idea. ANSWER

141) with the ability to remove sparks of our magics, would that go against our purpose. Say of a mage was to abuse the magic? Actually you’re right. Removing a spark would go against the purpose. The purpose is more magic, not the safety of magic/users. We’ll remove that bit

142) Can a spark be directly transferred from one mage to another person (mage or non-mage) - like a... spark transplant? yes but probably not by y’all